Team based Fastcaps

sounds good, are the rankings devided aswell?, that'd be cool (atleast a function for blueteam rec or redteam rec :)

i like blue team too :-)

Maybe something can be done with weapon/item spawns to detect which route is being run?

Maxing slow ctf routes is useful and fun too, having multiple routes to play also gives some life to otherwise overplayed maps.
This may not be feasible in DF19x

Team separation is a good start though :)

There is a problem though.

What about the old records?
I can't tell on which team they have been scored.

get demos from the top10 and wipe the rest (lol)

I could move them into the minnie Database.
I could just delete them.

lets also mark what route everyone used, so you could be the fastest at the slow route! ...:rolls eyes:

taking some time to figure out which team will let you cap faster is something that should be rewarded, and not marked as a caveat.

As long as it's just a red/blue * in the record table in a new column or so I don't mind

Old records, anyone of us that sits on the fast caps servers could tell you which side is better on the non symmetric maps.

I could move them into the minnie Database.
I could just delete them.

I say don't delete them, put them in the minnie database :)
there's lots of ppl who worked hours (weeks :p) to get these records

hmm. what about the maps with same rout ? i dont like this :( and if database will be reset again i wont play anymore

"and if database will be reset again i wont play anymore"

same =

I am just telling what occurred to me. That's why i ask you about the PROs and CONs of this idea.
What if the current records are flaged as 'undefined'. If you beat or equal them they will be overwritten as they used to be. But then the team information will be there.

that sounds better hk

yet another reset? die instead :)

Take instead care of the lagged times already

reset all times, start fresh

I don't mind either, yet I can understand ppl don't want a reset :)

The idea of team based times doesn't work though without a reset
(since the best times are done in the best team which makes it unable to compete with the other team for me and most of the ppl who already did a decent time)

RESET ALL TIMES ON DATABASE. put them in old database now. New antilag defrag and no reset of old possible lag times?

lets also do a time for prejumpers and one for not....

reset wtf? , HELL NO!

hahaha frank just wants them reset so kiddy goes away XD

I agree with Boris and Hk on the matter. Put all old times in old database and reset all times in all pages of all modes and mods. Start fresh with a fresh antilag cheat defrag. So we all know now that no times for sure are not LAGGED.

aye

nay

If you reset times you'll notice more and more people quitting defrag ;)
So i guess you shouldnt

i say keep the db as it is. we dont need to go making it more complicated.

If they quit then they were lag cheaters, who can't do their times again. Or just whiners and lazy.

is there even lagged times in fc ?
frank: im just lazy if we put it that way. i worked rly hard with many of my times and i dont(have the time) to make that again

I have to agree that you don't get worse in playing and redoing most times is quite easy (5-10 minutes a map)
Exept those grinded times you made (which required some time + luck appearantly)
Not saying I dispise that yet I don't mind a reset at all

Also my opnion is if you quit because you don't have a nice record slate behind ur login is kinda weird, I say players shouldn't be affected by records that much :)

and yes I see my contradiction as to why should i want a reset if I don't care about records anyhow
reason is I like fresh new routes, and semi-competition spices that up which is why I'd be for a reset

when i play a map for some days and get a time u know is kind of max what u can. u get a bit mad if it will be moved to minnies.

i wont be happy about it. but if the rest want a reset then go for it.
in strafe i rly understand the idea but im a mode2 player. i dont think its so good there.

for me in mode 2 it's exactly the same
can get a good time in matter of minutes if I ran the map before
ofcourse those max max times (which require luck or grinding) are hard to achieve
reset or don't reset I don't mind either way

I agree kiddy, we've grinded some maps to get at the lowest time we can do.
Isn't that the whole point of this? ....trying to push your times as far as they can go,sharing and comparing times with eachother etc..?....moving the times out pretty much takes away any sense of accomplishment we've had in the last few months =

I'd definitely not login anymore since you never know when the admins will have another idea for a site feature and have to wipe the DB at any moment... and without loggin in that pretty much takes the competitive aspect out of it for me (and thats the part I find the most fun tbh) =(



at the very least I'd put up a poll with 3 options

"no reset" "yes reset" "dont care"

Nightmare and I agreed on NOT deleting the Fastcap records. We will search for lagged times, though.
I still like the idea of a teambased fastcap ranking so i hope it will be possible to include somehow.

Start off with those I reported weeks ago :p

How about having another entry with team based records which will take the place of ur old record if you defeat your old record, and making a command !topblue !topred for those times
after a while most times will be team and we'd be able to compete with the normal !top being intact? (idea?)

So in short, another 2 entries of which the best will be in the !top and in the !top'team' and then you have another for !top'otherteam'
:)
might be abit much but ppl wanting the record can still go for the normal !top this way, keeping that intact

ok stopping cause I'm starting to repeat myself :)

that's a practical solution boris =)

Nice idea ! I was thinking about the same long time ago. But what about people who will make time using another team just for be "1st" and some noobs record those "team times" again will make ELO Ranking fucked up ? How you can avoid that on a map the route will be the same and people start to using Team Blue for rec their times will will bring totally mess in times/rankings etc ?

If I understood boris correctly...he's saying just use the regular !top for elo and
once someone improves their time though it will be added to the !topblue/red rankings also...so if you never improve your time on a map though you'd only be in the main !top

starts out correct but the idea was
!top for the fastest records by players which is your fastest time no matter which team and use that for elo only
then make 2 seperate tops !topred and !topblue which will be starting from the day they are created. The new records you set (from that date on) will be recorded in the seperate team tops ASWELL (if you improve your time) as in the !top
so you can still play in the topred AND topblue from that date on.

So say my time is 11.2 on the blue team, which now would be just 11.2 atm (since they didn't register team)
after the adjustment I do a 11.3 on the blue team --> that only registeres in the !topblue and not in the !top
then I do a 11.1 in the blue team --> It registers in the !topblue since I broke my record in the blue team but ALSO registers in the !top since I broke my total record
same goes for the red team

this way we can compete in the teams + leave the top intact (the team rankings is just a nice bonus.

sounds good =)

should delete all records so we can start out new and fresh.

shut up frank :) we know your opinion

any thinking progress? :) ? anyone? :p

lets start the rankings over so frank can only compete on maps he likes towards his ELO ranking. AMIRITE TED???

i don't think franks elo is going to be different either way =) he'll still be nr#1...as long as wesp allows it

^3>^7 any thinking progress?
I guess I won't move any records to the minnie database.
Flagging them as undefined will do the trick. What you(Boris) described was what i had in mind. That's what we will do.

VQ3 Fastcaps ELO mode 1 (pre release for personal amusement)

Rank 2: 2608 [qwerty.us]
Rank 3: 2606 xR-Adrian

^5Fight !^7
^5:D^7

ELO for cpm.2 ? (= top3

fastcaps cpm.2:

Rank 1: 2661 * Kiddy!
Rank 2: 2251 hehe
Rank 3: 2027 * hykon!
Rank 4: 1699 Bb:)
Rank 5: 1642 [2337]r
^5-.-^7
That's enough for now.

aha n1 =)

hmm, dont release elo. it will make me do less school work.

i love peter griffin

any idea when this teamstuff will be implented? :)

There is the ugly and the good way. I am not willing to support the ugly way because it's a pain. There would be lots of bugs we would have to dyke out first.
That's why we want the good way. Unfortunately CGG's has to provide us with some information about defrag's internal structure.

alright, I'm for the good way aswell.
was just wondering :)