cleanup

lol.

His time was done before +left was banned though, so expect a shitstorm.

+left has never been legal. I also expect a shit storm from all his fanboy

so i wonder how long it took for you to find an invalid reason such as this to ban wesp ;D wp again hk - still the shitty admin we all know

Those would have been deleted with a database switch anyway. We don't have server demos of most of his times.

hi,
the demo you posted was recorded at 20:42 on 3rd june 2008.
my account was wiped (due to lagcheat) on 6th or 8th june***...which means your accuse is invalid since the proof demo you're trying to come up already didnt exist on my account anymore.

*** i dont remember which of those dates it was, but it doesnt make a difference.

It is a common misconception that using yawspeed to improve your results was ever accepted on the servers D:. I'd refer you to those wacky old opc forums, but they're dead unfortunately.

Everyone who is angry about this topic should watch this video KOS recommended.
http://showstudio.com/project/topshopkatemoss2010/

@/r/: i was right about this :p

STFU arca never used +left GTFO

If in doubt, I uploaded another demo (mccormic-mark) with the various suspicious jumping. Watch the last stair part in timescale 0.2. You gonna love this. Probably replayed.

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*** i dont remember which of those dates it was, but it doesnt make a difference.

true, cheating always was cheating.

you could start to act like a grown man, since you aint playing anymore, there is no need for trollin'

11#^1<^7hk^1>^7^7
If in doubt, I uploaded another demo (mccormic-mark) with the various suspicious jumping. Watch the last stair part in timescale 0.2. You gonna love this. Probably replayed.

Question: Do you even know cpm physics?

I think I'll go with "yes". Enough to say, the likelihood of you skimming up almost every single step on the last stair. You didn't even try to hit jump another time. You knew you would skim up that stair. I'd recommend you release all the software you use to replay, cut and modify runs and we can end this charade. When everyone cheats like this in CPM strafe, we can just remove that section from the database.

Replay cheats are not provable except by the way a player feels secure about certain moves. You better proof me wrong. :)
You can't because nobody can have evidence that supports either of our claims.

11#^1<^7hk^1>^7^7
... Watch the last stair part in timescale 0.2

All i saw was a dj on the last stair. o.O

Protip: If you double jump in front of stairs, you can get past them. That was almost the longest time you can go and still get a double jump, but nothing cheated here...

As I said. He z-skims(code that makes you walk up a stair smoothly) all those steps. You have to hammer jump like made to get up such a long stair, especially when you land on the stair. W3sp doesn't. He just knows this once a lifetime will come. He even accelerates while going up.

hk you never played cpm haha dont be such a fag plz

youve tried to get him banned for years and since you cannot find a valid reason to ban him, you bring in your own shitty invalid ones hahahah

: sbctf1(00-02-448)-cpm(2,Kiddy).dm_68
Check that demo, i dj and 'skim' pretty much of the stairs.

hahahaha ok you incompetent idiot, use:

bind key placeplayer -309.100 1762.483 -86.393 36.419 -91.076 0 -177 -1245 -186

press the key, press jump twice

and before you tell me the speed drops from 1257 to 1245, that is because you hit the wall :)

change the -177 (3rd last number) to 0 if u want to prevent that...thanks for the free lol'ing btw

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That was almost the longest time you can go and still get a double jump, but nothing cheated here...

Of course it's OK. If it wasn't that would have been a physics cheat. The physic is computed server side.
It's also poss do do the bot lane on w3spgaz_strafes by hand. It's just not likely.

tbh, i already spent all my lol at wesps serious defrag knowledge.

xoxoxoxoxo

what is so difficult in being nice and helpful instead of nerdraging for 5 years Mrs. wespina?

21#^4-^3w^13^3sp^4-^7

bind key placeplayer -309.100 1762.483 -86.393 36.419 -91.076 0 -177 -1245 -186

press the key, press jump twice

No need, i bet you are right there. It always works if you have the perfect speed and point of impact.

SHAME!!!

gj hk

There is actually nothing wrong with the last jump. It isn't that rare either. I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

27#^1bd^7.Doaiena^7
I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

This demo is wrong on so many levels. You can pick what ever you want and it's perfect. That demo is awesome down to the smallest detail. Completely artificial. carved from a single piece.

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27#^1bd^7.Doaiena^7
I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

This demo is wrong on so many levels. You can pick what ever you want and it's perfect. That demo is awesome down to the smallest detail. Completely artificial. carved from a single piece.

i agree, but y did u delete wesp?

since you have nothing to say about my run maybe this will help:
http://rapidshare.com/files/393105982/mccormic-mark_w3sp_s_rebuilt.zip

thx gaz for rebuilding the online demo

27#^1bd^7.Doaiena^7
There is actually nothing wrong with the last jump. It isn't that rare either. I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

-_-' Learn to play. Did you know that it's not too hard to GAIN speed from turns? :O (amazing)

you tell em arca you darn turn hacker :d

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27#^1bd^7.Doaiena^7
There is actually nothing wrong with the last jump. It isn't that rare either. I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

-_-' Learn to play. Did you know that it's not too hard to GAIN speed from turns? :O (amazing)

ye, wesp NEVER touched +left, gtfo, same for arca, he never used it! especially not for circle jumping! GTFO!

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27#^1bd^7.Doaiena^7
There is actually nothing wrong with the last jump. It isn't that rare either. I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

-_-' Learn to play. Did you know that it's not too hard to GAIN speed from turns? :O (amazing)

Why don't you go lick wesp's ass instead of posting nonsense. =)

So you had him rebuild the ucmds.I wish he would answer to my mails, when I have questions about suspicious demos, especially at night.

What am I going to do with this now? You have one Xml file showing some ucmds and a demo with sv_cheats 1. I already have a demo and I don't need another one. Showing us this would make sense if the physics wasn't server side. Since it is server side, I guess you can say this demo isn't timescaled. :)

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27#^1bd^7.Doaiena^7
There is actually nothing wrong with the last jump. It isn't that rare either. I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

-_-' Learn to play. Did you know that it's not too hard to GAIN speed from turns? :O (amazing)

Why don't you go lick wesp's ass instead of posting nonsense. =)

Nonsense... well, I know it can be hard to comprehend, but in cpm (challenge promode) physics, you can get a higher speed if you turn slow enough =)

29#^6MENTALPUSSOUT^7

28#^1<^7hk^1>^7^7

27#^1bd^7.Doaiena^7
I would look closer at the perfect +left/right mouse movement (no loss of speed at all) on all turns. =)

This demo is wrong on so many levels. You can pick what ever you want and it's perfect. That demo is awesome down to the smallest detail. Completely artificial. carved from a single piece.

i agree, but y did u delete wesp?

LEAVE WESP ALONE

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Nonsense... well, I know it can be hard to comprehend, but in cpm (challenge promode) physics, you can get a higher speed if you turn slow enough =)

You don't say... That's something new to me.

Im amazed how a 1 year old player is more experienced than a 5 year old...

i'm 12 years old, now get the fuck off

clueless?
your serverdemo has missing frames and you didnt have the ucmds, now this is fixed. you have all the info needed now

It's the nature of online gaming to loose packets. Thanks for the sexy version of a demo that we already have. Still the user commands have been selected carefully by hand before replaying them online. We just see all of them now.

I just uploaded all the server demos we have. You quit playing right when we introduced them so there are just a few. They are all more or less broken (which is rare among other players that are not you). Couldn't hurt to repair them, too - I guess :)

I think the grid2 demo is the one you probably really did by hand. Almost nobody knows how to strafe at high speeds in CPM.

41#^1<^7hk^1>^7^7
It's the nature of online gaming to loose packets. Thanks for the sexy version of a demo that we already have. Still the user commands have been selected carefully by hand before replaying them online. We just see all of them now.

I just uploaded all the server demos we have. You quit playing right when we introduced them so there are just a few. They are all more or less broken (which is rare among other players that are not you). Couldn't hurt to repair them, too - I guess :)

I think the grid2 demo is the one you probably really did by hand. Almost nobody knows how to strafe at high speeds in CPM.

nope, i changed that fact

You don't say... That's something new to me.

Im amazed how a 1 year old player is more experienced than a 5 year old...

@arca, im gonna have to agree with doai on this one :)

bullshit, none of my times are replayed as you call it.
you're just an incompetent admin (plenty proofs in these comments) who claims so while abusing your admin state to make it look like a proven fact which it isnt.

ps: believing in something hard enough doesn't make it real...not even santa

santa isnt real? :( :( :( :(

LEAVE SANTA ALONE

42#^6MENTALPUSSOUT^7
nope, i changed that fact

QFT.

Suggestion: Delete all cpm records :)

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42#^6MENTALPUSSOUT^7
nope, i changed that fact

QFT.

Suggestion: Delete all cpm records :)

removing cpm from defrag would slove this even btter.

Sounds reasonable. Remove cpm then.

what is your real intention? it's a known fact that u're trying to get rid of my times for years now.

anyone can pick some good times and claim they're replayed. now try to prove it or the opposite.

43#^5/^0goh^5/^0l^5i^0th^5.^7
You don't say... That's something new to me.

Im amazed how a 1 year old player is more experienced than a 5 year old...

@arca, im gonna have to agree with doai on this one :)

lol, did you even read anything earlier than that sentence? :p

its prolly a good time for a fresh db, and just ban w3sp I dunno why you even listen to him, I've known he was full of shit since he went by "Missy", ban hunnybunny too while your at it. actually just make me an admin and I'll take care of a bunch of people for you

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43#^5/^0goh^5/^0l^5i^0th^5.^7
You don't say... That's something new to me.

Im amazed how a 1 year old player is more experienced than a 5 year old...

@arca, im gonna have to agree with doai on this one :)

lol, did you even read anything earlier than that sentence? :p

yes but still, you played a year, and youre much better than Doai(played 5 yr), i wouldnt say doai's a BAD strafer, so thats a bit odd :)

52#^2xR ^7gloat^7
its prolly a good time for a fresh db, and just ban w3sp I dunno why you even listen to him, I've known he was full of shit since he went by "Missy", ban hunnybunny too while your at it. actually just make me an admin and I'll take care of a bunch of people for you

again: i uploaded that "scripted" run on pornstar-redemption as soon as possible, u can have the new demos too
faggeh faggolump

to support wesp, plz join my ts3 channel on
ts.q3df.org:9987
we can fix this guys..

i cannot download ts3 :)

50#^4-^3w^13^3sp^4-^7
It's a known fact that u're trying to get rid of my times for years now.

Actually, I didn't care. I was even defending you against various people who keept sending me demos. They were not 100% proof. I just got annoyed and stopped. I don't really care about defrag anymore. I just figured many times 80% is no coincidence.

Btw.: Since I started acting more the amount of times per day has tripled. Old players came back, too. Apparently I am doing the right thing.

50#^4-^3w^13^3sp^4-^7
now try to prove it or the opposite.

Noone can proof anything at this level of cheating. The only way to proof something is seeing with own eyes. Like in standing right behind you. You won't agree to that, so it's your word against mine. It's all about faith, even though it's obvious. Your fanboys will support your point of view and since you are smarter than me you will probably always find an explanation for anything i throw at you. The topic is too fuzzy to flame about. There are so many hints that add up to impossible. Things like you doing everything 1st try or the luck you have in many runs. Noone can spectate you, you often hand out demos you ran through a demo smoother first to make them worthless and you stopped playing right when we started recording demos serverside. This goes on and on. Everything means nothing on it self and will be ignored by fanboys as much as hyped by enemies.

I put way too much time into this site anyway. Detecting cheats is more difficult than cheating. I don't have the time to write complex software. This is not the only thing in my life. That's why you will always be more than one step ahead. I don't know about "real" motivation, but this is mine. You play as much defrag as i do (none). So move on. I can do the same.

I won't restore your times. Others will follow soon.

hm ok..seems like i was wrong
+13

Nice;) i don't trust w3sp's play never. But his demos looking nice and unreal

So FINALLY ! this is the right moment to ask w3sp a simple question. This is what i promise myself: to give you a chance to tell the 100% true atlas once. It's something that i don't usually do, but i decide to do this. So you have a choice: tell the tru with i already know or tell bullshit again. Now the question is:

"Did you use serious cheats in DFWC 04 Demo: dfwc04-1[df.cpm]00.24.344(tireBoss.TheNetherlands)
http://www.wrzuc.to/2lZfhSTm4.wt ?"

Post you simple yes/no answer here, then we can continue.

61#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
So FINALLY ! this is the right moment to ask w3sp a simple question. This is what i promise myself: to give you a chance to tell the 100% true atlas once. It's something that i don't usually do, but i decide to do this. So you have a choice: tell the tru with i already know or tell bullshit again. Now the question is:

"Did you use serious cheats in DFWC 04 Demo: dfwc04-1[df.cpm]00.24.344(tireBoss.TheNetherlands)
http://www.wrzuc.to/2lZfhSTm4.wt ?"

Post you simple yes/no answer here, then we can continue.

i lol'd (=

@hk:
I don't give a flyin fuck about your worthless opinion. You prove yourself to have absolutely no knowledge, im not the first cpm player you accused (see arca e.g.) due to your lack of knowledge about cpm
Seriously what are your so called arguments? Doing runs 1st try? I'm far away from that. When DB was first introduced kid and I already started to "cheat" according to you because we used /kill before the finish whenever it wasn't a good run. What else do you have? A low map timer? map_Restart is a common method used by russians in 2004 and before that aleady. I recommend you log real stuff like playtime, servertime, etc. There are no "hints" at all, just pure assumptions of yours. And what the heck is your implication regarding a demosmoother? It's a tool made by tchouky I used to give KOS full fps demos for the movie.

You're a fucktard who considers his accuse to be true, no matter what, and that's what makes you a lousy and incapable admin *cough elo*:
First you pull out a demo and deleted me for +left. Then, after being told, you recognize your so called proof emo is worthless and irrelevant for your accuse because the time was old and not even in my account anymore due to a previous valid wipe for lagcheating. Your reaction? You totally ignore this argument and post a RANDOM other demo you have and post some creative "watch this in timescale 0.2" theories about a simple stair double while proving yourself to be stupid. Then you finally recognized your argument to be dumb shit (thx for the laughter we had) and as if your public irrevent denouncing hasn't been enough already you even go further and accuse me for replaying because you consider the times as all done in 1st try, "too good", etc. Yeyeye, they're all too good, and that's why lots of my old records are being crushed by the new generation.

Again, believing in something hard enough doesn't make it a proven fact.


PS: What kind of proof is "You stopped playing right after we introduced sv demos". In what desperate state must one be to take implications based on that as profounded reasons. Firstly I didn't stop anything, I took a small pause and secondly I'm not married to this game, so I went on to look for new games for over a year and found a decent one in League of Legends.



@Alien: So finally what? Don't act like there's any proof after years. The dfwc04-1 demo is NOT cheated. But's gonnabe be irrelevant to you because you were already implying hk's lousy statement as a proven fact, right?

The problem with you ist you're an incapable fucktard who accuses me based up lousy arguments but believing and insisting so hard in their truthness that you can only consider counterarguments as a result of my threatening knowledge.

No w3sp, this is something that is apart from HK totally. Thank you for you answer.

Now i mast translate all what i learn when Camping Gaz wist my home and he analyzed some of you demos in front of my eyes.

But this will require some lot of writing so stay focus because a mother of all Defrag question was solved on 20.09.2009 :-]

65#^4-^3w^13^3sp^4-^7
The problem with you ist you're an incapable fucktard who accuses me based up lousy arguments but believing and insisting so hard in their truthness that you can only consider counterarguments as a result of my threatening knowledge.

hm..never seen so many typos..wounded?

66#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
No w3sp, this is something that is apart from HK totally. Thank you for you answer.

Now i mast translate all what i learn when Camping Gaz wist my home and he analyzed some of you demos in front of my eyes.

But this will require some lot of writing so stay focus because a mother of all Defrag question was solved on 20.09.2009 :-]

translate?? i know a polish english teacher that could help you!

is=its
up=one

I changed words in the sentence several times, happens.

oops, ist=is, sorry =)

its ok *hands yer over a tissue*

quick comment:
- LOL at trying to b& someone for NOT using a jumpscript :D

You ignore the instances where players are blindly spamming 10 jumps per second before and after they even touch the stairs/slope, but magically find a demo where the jump key was probably pressed by fingers instead of a macro and its super suspicious. IMPRESSIVE.

Keep it going guys I'm laughing my ass off.

74#RetroHelix^7
Keep it going guys I'm laughing my ass off.

I gladly second that :D

64#^4-^3w^13^3sp^4-^7

public irrevent denouncing hasn't been enough

agreed

finally this bastard was catched :P

"+left | replay software" - actually this is not full list, there was also upmove hack with low values, for example vq3 time on palmslane. Here is the demo - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6148529/palmslane%5Bmdf.vq3%5D00.06.584%28w%29.dm_68
And yes i know it was without login, but hack is obviously, he hold jump as bitch and finish the map, with time 6:584 (without log) and then he get 6:504 (already with login and without specs ofc and prolly from first try) - so wtf is this? new route which allow get this time without hack? so nice...

its ok glm.. *hugs* ure the best fuckin strafewhore in the world now

The ultimate Defrag Question has ben finally solved !

I'm absolutely behind HK's decision deleted wesp. You ppl what are whining for wesp - how do you want deny something what is confessedly.

Nazibunny as always - ultra idiot and lith wtf u'r trying to say? That you licks wesp's ass or what. Sry for phraseology.

I dont care that this demo maybe hasn't sufficient evidence of wesp's hacks. There aren't better user of scripts hacks cheats. Maybe som of his followers soon could be but i dont care about this faggots. howgh!

I dont count posts where i am asking you wesp for demos from f33l. Didnt get answer anywhere.

berserk are you completely fucking russian? ive had 2 account bans for nothing due to this shit admin and you think ill say nothing? pff, stop saying shit you dont know about, youre not making urself look better in teh longrun :)

u might wanna fix that russian english in ur post too :F

thanks for the routes :)

lol adr :)

whos that to hunny?

Why dont you try write in other langueage than your motherland lang hm, how about russian or something ? Aint easy, if you dont use it. But no doubt that you understand all what i wrote.

I'm sure that your acc wasn't deleted without reason. YOU did the reason. You're lucky that HK is good neutral admin..

do i look like person who wanna chit chat with you hitlerbuny? :) gtfo, I haven't seen good topics in darwin awards go ahead make me cry for you :)

thx for the next laughter, don't u think im a bit too ung 2 b a nazi?

hi

at least germany stopped in 1945, mass murderer (=

took a fart, just to let u no

90#^1Dominate^7
thanks for the routes :)

I was thinking just the same thing :D o3j-radikull here I come :D

why lick hk's ass berserk? :)

my account got banned twice for times that aren't mine, and merged with an account not mine(and he got my account banned) i wouldnt call that a reason, and yes ill talk english, because nearly everyone knows how to speak english, even if it is russian english like you speak

KEY:
Russian = stupid btw :)

aww..cmon lith, u shared ur account :X
i never let ry make any times for me

Hmmz... Somebody's deleting comments in here already down to 103 and coming from 105 :O

62#^4-^3w^13^3sp^4-^7
so I went on to look for new games for over a year and found a decent one in League of Legends.

I can confirm this is a lie!

97!

3#^1<^7hk^1>^7^7
+left has never been legal. I also expect a shit storm from all his fanboy

WTF ? what about 2008 DFWC ???? there are MANY players with +left +right omfg... IT WAS LEGAL back then...

98#^0ZzZ^4|^7neiT^4.^7

3#^1<^7hk^1>^7^7
+left has never been legal. I also expect a shit storm from all his fanboy

WTF ? what about 2008 DFWC ???? there are MANY players with +left +right omfg... IT WAS LEGAL back then...

no, they just havent got the balls to punish it

i dont care but this was a lie what u said hk... that it was not legal...
.. eh why i dont even bother to write here :D
db is going to oldtop anyway so.. no need to coment my coment :o

dfwc rules change like the weather. Also this is not the DFWC. +left or rocket jump scripts haven't been legal on the old jamster servers. Not even on the Mouse potato servers before that. That's a pretty long time.

hk is deleting them because he doesnt like it anyway but his :)

does it even matter?
he can delete whatever he wants for no reason.
it is not like you have to play on those servers.

this whole cheat discussion is just funny, every intelligent person knows what cheating is, no matter what is written down in the super official rules.

it makes no sense trying proofing point when you are just wrong.

beni lol? +left isnt fucking cheating, hk just uses this to get w banned :), +left is a default fucking quake3 baseq3 command, why the fuck would it be a cheat

you all are not saints!

101#^5/^0goh^5/^0l^5i^0th^5.^7
beni lol? +left isnt fucking cheating, hk just uses this to get w banned :), +left is a default fucking quake3 baseq3 command, why the fuck would it be a cheat

Then use +left with cl_yawspeed 0 mkey ? HA HA HA hahahahahaha
Read the mDd dissucion. But befor you do, turn you brain on.

101#^5/^0goh^5/^0l^5i^0th^5.^7
beni lol? +left isnt fucking cheating, hk just uses this to get w banned :), +left is a default fucking quake3 baseq3 command, why the fuck would it be a cheat

-_-' +left was implemented during the days when some people still used the keyboard to play, not to finish run maps as quickly and effortlessly as possible with promode physics. +moveup is also a standard quake3 command that you can bind to mwheeldown. Useless argument...

haters gonna hate.

lovers gonna love

arca never used +left ok? even when he said he would use it for the ground part of his cjs, he didnt
now stfu

cba bout if he cheats,its only a game, not life.He may cheats, may not. But, what can you do? the (poor) admin can ban him for a unknown/untruth (dont know english meaning, soz) reason, or maybe just he cant stand the fact that one guy i totally owning./just better than him. Well,if it's true that he cheats,what can u do? ban him. wow. mabe he starts playing again, but now legit, and 'prolly with nearly the same times? but its clearly recognizeable that he didnt cheat at the new ones?

Cheaters will always be there, there is nothin you (=admin) can do about it. Some get caught, some not.
Just play and get the fck off with your (kinda) useless discussion.

just trollin' with my poor english.

arc wtf, you have no say in this, you use +left too, you shud get your acc wiped, now gtfo

It's kinda proof that w3sp is always dying for proof, but I geuss that's where he gets off, the "try and catch me if you can" attitude :)

107#^0w3sp^7
arca never used +left ok? even when he said he would use it for the ground part of his cjs, he didnt
now stfu

Wait what?

109#^5/^0goh^5/^0l^5i^0th^5.^7
arc wtf, you have no say in this, you use +left too, you shud get your acc wiped, now gtfo

Proof or gtfo.

soon enough arca, soon enough :)

Deleted (xxxx-xx-xx)
/a/ (+left) [demos]

will be up there in no time Robin :)

I´m new to defrag and almost to q3 too (so dont flame on me pls) and i know nothing about the things going on here in the past years like ppl cheating or not but here are my 2 cents.
Isn´t it possible to start a online defrag tournament (on the mDd Servers) where ppl like w3sp (sorry that i select you m8) have to show if they are really skilled or not spectated by a hand full of admins wich are able to evaluate this? If they can confirm their times everything is fine and anyone can stfu! It´s a suggestion isn´t it?

114#^3a^11^3ex^7
I´m new to defrag and almost to q3 too (so dont flame on me pls) and i know nothing about the things going on here in the past years like ppl cheating or not but here are my 2 cents.
Isn´t it possible to start a online defrag tournament (on the mDd Servers) where ppl like w3sp (sorry that i select you m8) have to show if they are really skilled or not spectated by a hand full of admins wich are able to evaluate this? If they can confirm their times everything is fine and anyone can stfu! It´s a suggestion isn´t it?

Sry to say, but that's never gonna happen :p even if by magic this 'competition' takes place, who are we to force wesp into playing the competition :p and we already know wesp is skilled :D

114#^3a^11^3ex^7
I´m new to defrag and almost to q3 too (so dont flame on me pls) and i know nothing about the things going on here in the past years like ppl cheating or not but here are my 2 cents.
Isn´t it possible to start a online defrag tournament (on the mDd Servers) where ppl like w3sp (sorry that i select you m8) have to show if they are really skilled or not spectated by a hand full of admins wich are able to evaluate this? If they can confirm their times everything is fine and anyone can stfu! It´s a suggestion isn´t it?

Err. No.

116#^1742617000027^7

114#^3a^11^3ex^7
I´m new to defrag and almost to q3 too (so dont flame on me pls) and i know nothing about the things going on here in the past years like ppl cheating or not but here are my 2 cents.
Isn´t it possible to start a online defrag tournament (on the mDd Servers) where ppl like w3sp (sorry that i select you m8) have to show if they are really skilled or not spectated by a hand full of admins wich are able to evaluate this? If they can confirm their times everything is fine and anyone can stfu! It´s a suggestion isn´t it?

Err. No.

Why not? Pls give me a reason, its just a proof of skill of "some map parts" many ppl discuss here! I personally dont care about this discussion it seems to me like some upgrowing children having trouble with something! If noone want´s this proof stop flaming on ppl and have a nice day!

80#^1Dominate^7
thanks for the routes :)

Seconded!

<3 adr ;>

first: theres not enough admins around
second: i dont see how tournaments effect the daily online play. u can't force players to play those tournaments to set a time. if u want to have all the online servers under 24/7 surveillance look back at point 1.

Who cares wesp only was conceited and didn't was a huge douche. NO reason to have that kind of person around in person or in times.

I'm new like a1ex, and I like his suggestion. Why couldn't, for example, the dfwc final, happen live? The finalists get the map for a week to practice. Then, on a server the finalists have a set number of runs (like 5 each, for example) to set their best time. It adds a pressure component, and everyone could watch a live feed. I suspect that would eliminate the possibility that anyone is cheating, so then this long debate about whether someone is cheating wouldn't occur.

121#Bacchus^7
I suspect that would eliminate the possibility that anyone is cheating, ...

You are so wrong here. Besides: do you think that if someone has great skils, means that he don't use cheats from time to time ? This should also give a tip for a1ex, why his ideas is useless. Because the only "upgrowing children having trouble with something" as i see is him by first telling that "I´m new to defrag and almost to q3 too (so dont flame on me pls) and i know nothing about the things going on here in the past years like ppl cheating or not" and then make assumption that the admin is some kind of young child ;-]

posting in epic thread

122#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

121#Bacchus^7
I suspect that would eliminate the possibility that anyone is cheating, ...

You are so wrong here. Besides: do you think that if someone has great skils, means that he don't use cheats from time to time ? This should also give a tip for a1ex, why his ideas is useless. Because the only "upgrowing children having trouble with something" as i see is him by first telling that "I´m new to defrag and almost to q3 too (so dont flame on me pls) and i know nothing about the things going on here in the past years like ppl cheating or not" and then make assumption that the admin is some kind of young child ;-]

I can´t follow you AL|EN! I never said something like the admin is a young child. I meant the things like "hey dude i have a demo of you cheating... haha you never use that or another f..... script?". Well, it was only a suggestion to reduce such things.

to w3sp from my heart <3

What's the problem with +left?

P.S. @ bacchus : how do you expect some guy from Vladivostok to play on some european server with ping 450 and set any records?

124#^3a^11^3ex^7
I can´t follow you AL|EN!

I think alien's point is that we're both new to defrag, and therefore we don't have a clue about the problems it has and how to tackle them. To presume we know better is to presume that the admin and others are idiots.

That said, I'm now going to continue. :)

If someone can cheat in an undetectable way, then they shall never be caught. So stop whining about it and accept it. Defrag is just a game, at the end of the day. No matter how obsessed with defrag you are, it doesn't really matter.

DeaTh
@ bacchus : how do you expect some guy from Vladivostok to play on some european server with ping 450 and set any records?

I was under the impression that ping is irrelevant for runs online. It seems I was wrong.

124#^3a^11^3ex^7
I can´t follow you AL|EN!

I think alien's point is that we're both new to defrag, and therefore we don't have a clue about the problems it has and how to tackle them. To presume we know better is to presume that the admin and others are idiots.

That said, I'm now going to continue. :)

If someone can cheat in an undetectable way, then they shall never be caught. So stop whining about it and accept it. Defrag is just a game, at the end of the day. No matter how obsessed with defrag you are, it doesn't really matter.

DeaTh
@ bacchus : how do you expect some guy from Vladivostok to play on some european server with ping 450 and set any records?

I was under the impression that ping is irrelevant for runs online. It seems I was wrong.

Stop bitching the newbs ;-) a1ex idea sounds good if you don't give too much thoughts about it.
But you are right its not possible. The ping, the average skill of the culprit (LOL), replaytools, maybe other cheats and the fact that nobody can judge about someone by seeing him playing live.

PS. Mr http://www.q3df.org/rankings/id-2669 pls come up with a name that suits you again... Some nick with penis or pussy in it was good in the past when I remember right...

129#RetroHelix^7
Stop bitching the newbs ;-) a1ex idea sounds good if you don't give too much thoughts about it.
But you are right its not possible. The ping, the average skill of the culprit (LOL), replaytools, maybe other cheats and the fact that nobody can judge about someone by seeing him playing live.


PS. Mr http://www.q3df.org/rankings/id-2669 pls come up with a name that suits you again... Some nick with penis or pussy in it was good in the past when I remember right...

suggest one, plz
and plz answer my question: r u andi?

125#^3>>^1Lucifer^3<<^7
to w3sp from my heart <3

Hahahhahahahah xDDDDDDDD

126#DeaTh^7
What's the problem with +left?

Nothing. But people use it with cl_yawspeed combination that give you perfect turns in cpm with is hardcore cheat. You can read about it at mDd boards.

Seems like the witch hunt continues, hm? Funny how much importance people put on records, really. :)

131#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

125#^3>>^1Lucifer^3<<^7
to w3sp from my heart <3

Hahahhahahahah xDDDDDDDD

126#DeaTh^7
What's the problem with +left?

Nothing. But people use it with cl_yawspeed combination that give you perfect turns in cpm with is hardcore cheat. You can read about it at mDd boards.

1st comment - lol

2nd - you used +left for fc :)

NIGGUZ !

131#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

126#DeaTh^7
What's the problem with +left?

Nothing. But people use it with cl_yawspeed combination that give you perfect turns in cpm with is hardcore cheat. You can read about it at mDd boards.

At which point it is cheating?

DeaTh, im gona have to agree with him, with yawspeed +left can have perfect smooth turns :)

I'm still hoping to see valid proofs and not some made up shit like "your times are too good".
Anyone with acquired skills (kid, arca, xb, etc) can find plenty flaws in my demos. The fact that you can't doesn't make me a cheater.

@DeaTh:
It's not cheating unless the cl_yawspeed cvar is automatically updated throughout a run to compensate for speed changes I'd say.

(the post was directed to noob hk ofc)

133#^1n^7OO^1by ^7w^1OO^7by^7

1st comment - lol

2nd - you used +left for fc :)

In you dreams. Never ever speak to me again.

135#DeaTh^7

131#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

126#DeaTh^7
What's the problem with +left?

Nothing. But people use it with cl_yawspeed combination that give you perfect turns in cpm with is hardcore cheat. You can read about it at mDd boards.

At which point it is cheating?

Because it can give you perfect turns, even if it used only with constant value. You don't even bother to read mDd thread about this. Case closed.

140#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

135#DeaTh^7

131#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

126#DeaTh^7
What's the problem with +left?

Nothing. But people use it with cl_yawspeed combination that give you perfect turns in cpm with is hardcore cheat. You can read about it at mDd boards.

At which point it is cheating?

Because it can give you perfect turns, even if it used only with constant value. You don't even bother to read mDd thread about this. Case closed.

yep, perfect turns, thats y turn scripts arent better than just +left

i lol'd!

139#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

133#^1n^7OO^1by ^7w^1OO^7by^7

1st comment - lol

2nd - you used +left for fc :)

In you dreams. Never ever speak to me again.

haha rage, you know its true sir :), BAZZ SAYS SO! :)))))

142#^1n^7OO^1by ^7w^1OO^7by^7
haha rage, you know its true sir :), BAZZ SAYS SO! :)))))

You pathetic try to do whatever you do are failed. And I'm far away from any rage about anything you say. Goo that almost everyone set a "ignore" for all you write.

143#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

142#^1n^7OO^1by ^7w^1OO^7by^7
haha rage, you know its true sir :), BAZZ SAYS SO! :)))))

You pathetic try to do whatever you do are failed. And I'm far away from any rage about anything you say. Goo that almost everyone set a "ignore" for all you write.

Can you try to use english please? defrag is mainly english community, id love you to help :)

Wypierdalaj ?a?osna kreaturo, zjebany matole i upo?ledzony debilu. Jak patrz? na twoje zdj?cie to mam ochot? przejecha? si? na wycieczk? do ciebie i tak ci przypierdoli? ?e twoje spojrzenie zostanie ci na sta?e ty marna imitacjo istoty ludzkiej !

How about that ?

does that say youre acting like a child because bazz rapes your times?

ry, translate pls, its ur fuckin job, do it

Hahhaha you so funny hunywhatewer

143#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
Wypierdalaj ?a?osna kreaturo, zjebany matole i upo?ledzony debilu. Jak patrz? na twoje zdj?cie to mam ochot? przejecha? si? na wycieczk? do ciebie i tak ci przypierdoli? ?e twoje spojrzenie zostanie ci na sta?e ty marna imitacjo istoty ludzkiej !

translating:
Get the fuck out? And? Osna kreaturo, Matola, and autho fucked? Tracked bitch. How do I see? for your photo? "I feel like you are? traveled? s? on the trip? to you and so you przypierdoli? ? Email your eyes you will be permanently? E imitacjo you miserable human beings!

epic kak

overread that one earlier, so here's another little quote comment for the fun...

41#^1<^7hk^1>^7^7
I just uploaded all the server demos we have. They are all more or less broken (which is rare among other players that are not you). Couldn't hurt to repair them, too - I guess :)

They are broken indeed and have the delta from invalid frame spam. The question is why? Let's have a look:
The message appears when a snapshot has a 'false' flag.
Snapshots are sent from the server to the client and written to demos.

I have no influence on this delta spam because the origin lies in your servers/maps.

go away

That's true. The snapshots are generated serverside. What snapshot the delta packets refer to is ping and packet loss dependent, though.

Which can be influenced by the player. The data is still there. The unmodified q3 is not able to read it, though.

hmm, i have no problem to understand what alien wrote in english or poland language.

doesnt matter berserk i told you what to do, now go and fuck off plz, thx :)

147#^0[gt]^1g^0lm^7

143#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
Wypierdalaj ?a?osna kreaturo, zjebany matole i upo?ledzony debilu. Jak patrz? na twoje zdj?cie to mam ochot? przejecha? si? na wycieczk? do ciebie i tak ci przypierdoli? ?e twoje spojrzenie zostanie ci na sta?e ty marna imitacjo istoty ludzkiej !

translating:
Get the fuck out? And? Osna kreaturo, Matola, and autho fucked? Tracked bitch. How do I see? for your photo? "I feel like you are? traveled? s? on the trip? to you and so you przypierdoli? ? Email your eyes you will be permanently? E imitacjo you miserable human beings!

lmao, nice translation glm :)

Before I go any further let me state plain and clear that I am in no way supporting w3sp but I am not acting against him either.

Quake 3 is a dying game and defrag is probably the strongest community left. Ra3, once the most popular frag mod, is now dead like the dodo. Does all of this childish bickering and whining really help to promote and keep this game alive? No.

I'm not here to start anything with you AL|EN, but lets face it. Anyone new comes and posts a valid, albeit naive and uninformed from lack of experience and research, question and you respond to them with stuff like "fuck off" and "don't talk to me?" Seriously, who do you think you are? You've got a serious superiority complex. You've dedicated your life to proving w3sp cheats since 2004 and earlier? I already said it once: seek professional help. And I mean that in a sincere way. I've played with w3sp and he seemed like a huge "for lack of a better word" dick. To be honest I would throw you into that same category.

There has always been flame posts and whining and crying in the days of OPC but back then the community was much larger. With so few of us left why would anyone new want to come here and become a part of this? There's more whining and accusations on these forums than legitimate posts. New players used to be able to ask questions and actually receive help. Now we're simply telling them to fuck off? I give this community 2 more years at best if we keep at this rate and mentality.

To the hk bashers: Nobody's perfect. I'm sure hk has made a few mistakes as admin but what many people fail to overlook is all of the time and hard work he puts in to this community to keep it going. How many of you can really say you're doing anything to help? You should be thanking him.

As for my points towards whether w3sp cheats or not ... I'm sure he has played around with cheats in some demos from time to time but let me connect the dots for a certain somebody who couldn't do it himself. I referred to w3sp's YouTube account where he has several highly skilled piano videos. What's the point of this? Simple. To be skilled at piano you need skilled timing as well as arm and finger movement. Any skilled pianist could easily translate those skills to be a skilled defragger. So while w3sp's movements may seem "perfect" in some cases I can completely believe that he does actually have the skill to do it. Also, many of his records have been broken and in many cases they're only records by .104 or give or take .100. Are we really to say the difference between a legit run and a run done by absolute perfect cheated movement is only .100 better?

I have of course thought that maybe he just posted some piano videos of another person that isn't even him which would change things but I have no way of knowing for sure and am not about to spend the next 6 years of my life trying to find out.

I expect to be flamed hard for this. Too many people here have thick skulls and aren't open to new ideas and opinions. For the record I've been around since 2002 so I do understand what I'm talking about and know more than most of you think I do. The difference is I've dedicated my q3 experience to producing the content that interest me for use in movies (which are on the way) rather than bickering over who's 1 frame faster on the latest strafe map. (Let's be honest, nobody cares).

Let me ask you this. What does q3/defrag mean to you? Do you guys even want it to continue and thrive? Q3 is the only game that I play. I try others out from time to time but Q3 is the only game I will always play.

151#^0[fps]w^1i^0wka^7
hmm, i have no problem to understand what alien wrote in english or poland language.

POLAND LANGUAGE FTW

++ A valiant attempt phoenix, and I'd buy you a beer for your efforts...

Your reasoning will undoubtedly be drowned out by the circus of whine in no time though... just make your peace with how it is man. Some men just want to watch the world burn...

154#^1P^7ho^1e^7ni^1x^7
Before I go any further let me state plain and clear that I am in no way supporting w3sp but I am not acting against him either.

Quake 3 is a dying game and defrag is probably the strongest community left. Ra3, once the most popular frag mod, is now dead like the dodo. Does all of this childish bickering and whining really help to promote and keep this game alive? No.

I'm not here to start anything with you AL|EN, but lets face it. Anyone new comes and posts a valid, albeit naive and uninformed from lack of experience and research, question and you respond to them with stuff like "fuck off" and "don't talk to me?"

I threat Huny-bunny at level that he deserve, because judging from his action he only wants to insult people and tel lies about who told something. He also accusing me about use cheats and lie about Bazz as the source this information,. The only one thing that he wants it to see rage from me and to see this community ended as a bunch of people that accusing themselves about everything. His soul will be happy then.

154#^1P^7ho^1e^7ni^1x^7
You've dedicated your life to proving w3sp cheats since 2004 and earlier? I already said it once: seek professional help. And I mean that in a sincere way. I've played with w3sp and he seemed like a huge "for lack of a better word" dick. To be honest I would throw you into that same category.

There has always been flame posts and whining and crying in the days of OPC but back then the community was much larger. With so few of us left why would anyone new want to come here and become a part of this? There's more whining and accusations on these forums than legitimate posts. New players used to be able to ask questions and actually receive help. Now we're simply telling them to fuck off? I give this community 2 more years at best if we keep at this rate and mentality.

You are just simply wrong. I never ever accuse publicly w3sp (prove me wrong here) and i never tell that he don't have skill. I know his piano stuff long before his youtoube vids came. But you say it by yourself: he use cheats (scripts, physic hax) from time to time. He is able to do all his times without cheats ? Maybe, but this is no matter. He act like strongman after who's been caught with some steroids. "Hey i can still win without my drugs! I'm still 1st !" Great behavior indeed.
I just take my opportunity to confirm this by showing some demos to CGaz, nothing more. And i don't throw all of this the day after, because the case was close to me. It takes one evening of my life, not 6 years.

you obviously can't recall anything you said. what are you even doing here? telling ppl that you don't care? a lot of words for that....
just disappear. you sound incredibly stupid.

157#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

You are just simply wrong. I never ever accuse publicly w3sp (prove me wrong here)...

And i don't throw all of this the day after, because the case was close to me. It takes one evening of my life, not 6 years.

lol

I never ever accuse publicly w3sp until i hear what CGaz say to me - what you don't understand here ?

154#^1P^7ho^1e^7ni^1x^7
Before I go any further let me state plain and clear that I am in no way supporting w3sp but I am not acting against him either.

Quake 3 is a dying game and defrag is probably the strongest community left. Ra3, once the most popular frag mod, is now dead like the dodo. Does all of this childish bickering and whining really help to promote and keep this game alive? No.

I'm not here to start anything with you AL|EN, but lets face it. Anyone new comes and posts a valid, albeit naive and uninformed from lack of experience and research, question and you respond to them with stuff like "fuck off" and "don't talk to me?" Seriously, who do you think you are? You've got a serious superiority complex. You've dedicated your life to proving w3sp cheats since 2004 and earlier? I already said it once: seek professional help. And I mean that in a sincere way. I've played with w3sp and he seemed like a huge "for lack of a better word" dick. To be honest I would throw you into that same category.

There has always been flame posts and whining and crying in the days of OPC but back then the community was much larger. With so few of us left why would anyone new want to come here and become a part of this? There's more whining and accusations on these forums than legitimate posts. New players used to be able to ask questions and actually receive help. Now we're simply telling them to fuck off? I give this community 2 more years at best if we keep at this rate and mentality.

To the hk bashers: Nobody's perfect. I'm sure hk has made a few mistakes as admin but what many people fail to overlook is all of the time and hard work he puts in to this community to keep it going. How many of you can really say you're doing anything to help? You should be thanking him.

As for my points towards whether w3sp cheats or not ... I'm sure he has played around with cheats in some demos from time to time but let me connect the dots for a certain somebody who couldn't do it himself. I referred to w3sp's YouTube account where he has several highly skilled piano videos. What's the point of this? Simple. To be skilled at piano you need skilled timing as well as arm and finger movement. Any skilled pianist could easily translate those skills to be a skilled defragger. So while w3sp's movements may seem "perfect" in some cases I can completely believe that he does actually have the skill to do it. Also, many of his records have been broken and in many cases they're only records by .104 or give or take .100. Are we really to say the difference between a legit run and a run done by absolute perfect cheated movement is only .100 better?

I have of course thought that maybe he just posted some piano videos of another person that isn't even him which would change things but I have no way of knowing for sure and am not about to spend the next 6 years of my life trying to find out.

I expect to be flamed hard for this. Too many people here have thick skulls and aren't open to new ideas and opinions. For the record I've been around since 2002 so I do understand what I'm talking about and know more than most of you think I do. The difference is I've dedicated my q3 experience to producing the content that interest me for use in movies (which are on the way) rather than bickering over who's 1 frame faster on the latest strafe map. (Let's be honest, nobody cares).

Let me ask you this. What does q3/defrag mean to you? Do you guys even want it to continue and thrive? Q3 is the only game that I play. I try others out from time to time but Q3 is the only game I will always play.

Cool story, bro

But seriously, about the hk part. Several of us already advised him to get some more mods/admins, so he and nightmare, but mostly hk, don't have to deal with EVERYTHING that's going on. There are still dozens of multi-accounts and times set by another person that aren't taken care off and I doubt hk will find them all.

159#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
I never ever accuse publicly w3sp until i hear what CGaz say to me - what you don't understand here ?

now u just changed it to "until i heard from cgaz". but u wont even know what im talking about

161#^3sdf^7

159#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
I never ever accuse publicly w3sp until i hear what CGaz say to me - what you don't understand here ?

now u just changed it to "until i heard from cgaz". but u wont even know what im talking about

So tell me where i ever accuse publicly w3sp about using cheats ? Look at some dates and stop telling bullshit.

161#^3sdf^7

159#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
I never ever accuse publicly w3sp until i hear what CGaz say to me - what you don't understand here ?

now u just changed it to "until i heard from cgaz". but u wont even know what im talking about

So tell me where i ever accuse publicly w3sp about using cheats ? Look at some dates and stop telling bullshit.

So hk, have any upcoming real proofs or are you gonna leave it like an open accuse you made look like a proven and closed case abusing your admin status?

Considering you said yourself you were gonna remove the entire DB content from before serverdemos were introduced (=99% of my times would be gone) what is your real motivation in this action?

Apparently you just want to piss me off?

157#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

154#^1P^7ho^1e^7ni^1x^7
Before I go any further let me state plain and clear that I am in no way supporting w3sp but I am not acting against him either.

Quake 3 is a dying game and defrag is probably the strongest community left. Ra3, once the most popular frag mod, is now dead like the dodo. Does all of this childish bickering and whining really help to promote and keep this game alive? No.

I'm not here to start anything with you AL|EN, but lets face it. Anyone new comes and posts a valid, albeit naive and uninformed from lack of experience and research, question and you respond to them with stuff like "fuck off" and "don't talk to me?"

I threat Huny-bunny at level that he deserve, because judging from his action he only wants to insult people and tel lies about who told something. He also accusing me about use cheats and lie about Bazz as the source this information,. The only one thing that he wants it to see rage from me and to see this community ended as a bunch of people that accusing themselves about everything. His soul will be happy then.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's so freakin gay to ask a polish english teacher to translate a polish text, FUCK ME!

146#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
Hahhaha you so funny hunywhatewer

who would ever ask a polack that has a way better english than u to translate ur stuff, its so bla bla w/e!
srsrly alien, i think no one likes u anymore

163#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7

161#^3sdf^7

159#^1e^7S^5-^2AL^7|^2EN^7
I never ever accuse publicly w3sp until i hear what CGaz say to me - what you don't understand here ?

now u just changed it to "until i heard from cgaz". but u wont even know what im talking about

So tell me where i ever accuse publicly w3sp about using cheats ? Look at some dates and stop telling bullshit.

haha. alien cheats. lets delete him!

i wishes i canned speak england language ass you guys does!

?

169#^1742617000027^7
?

I'm lost too man, we should pick a new nickname for w3sp...
What about "w3sp, Bringer of Massive Comment Shitstorms"?

pull my finger alb!

164#^3Ba^2n^3a^2n^3a^2P^3ho^2n^3e^7
So hk, have any upcoming real proofs or are you gonna leave it like an open accuse you made look like a proven and closed case abusing your admin status?

Considering you said yourself you were gonna remove the entire DB content from before serverdemos were introduced (=99% of my times would be gone) what is your real motivation in this action?

Apparently you just want to piss me off?

Why do you care? You said you don't care about defrag anymore, so why are you still posting? You just can't leave? You are just proving to be a troll now.

164#^3Ba^2n^3a^2n^3a^2P^3ho^2n^3e^7
So hk, have any upcoming real proofs or are you gonna leave it like an open accuse you made look like a proven and closed case abusing your admin status?

Considering you said yourself you were gonna remove the entire DB content from before serverdemos were introduced (=99% of my times would be gone) what is your real motivation in this action?

Apparently you just want to piss me off?

well what about my first post in this epic thread? looks like you didnt saw it, or all fine? :P
I see you are just a professional demagog :)

ok, who wants beer?

penis

174#^8RBK^7
penis

154#^1P^7ho^1e^7ni^1x^7
...
Let me ask you this. What does q3/defrag mean to you? Do you guys even want it to continue and thrive? Q3 is the only game that I play. I try others out from time to time but Q3 is the only game I will always play.

well it is a competitive and lively community - still. And there are always some helpful people, if one has (even noobish) questions.

but many of you are quite far out - skill wise, and also (a bit) mentally :p

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173# de PopeJo

Wait wut?

seems the deleted posts arent taken into consideration there.

175#^1/^7i^1/^7
seems the deleted posts arent taken into consideration there.

Hmmz, they were when the first few got deleted :s

comments / posts containing insults or spam get deleted w/o any futher commentary

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and thx for routes :p

the lady doth protest too much

the lady gillz is the best stumpf8er

perfume sucks

181#be still, my heart.^7
perfume sucks

never

even if hk did too much damage with this decision [only wesp knows], i think you people are overreacting a little bit. personally, i think its a fair decision, because cgaz already confirmed w3sp is cheating, even if from time to time. even if the proof-of-cheating- demo was mischosen, there certainly IS the matter, so who cares, which one of those is cheated? again, this is my point of view.

what i dislike, is the childish attitude on so many levels here.
statements like "+left is not a cheat", even if stated as a trolling attempt, lead to misunderstanding and endless flames, screw that, people.

second, do not overestimate piano skills as equivalent to playing arcade games. they are different, and tapping the keyboard, or moving the mouse is nowhere near playing fuga in toccata e-mol from jsb. trust me, i am a musician as well. and lets be clear on this - its not comparable, its not similiar - and there are very skilled defraggers who cant do shit on piano keyboard - and vice-versa.

and yet you care enough to comment on this :D

Still most of your post isn't bullshit, which is rare in these kind of news topics so -> *applause* ^^

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Who are you fake anyway ? I won't even bother to reply you until you disclose yourself. And that is more lame than anything what i say.

And about my polish post: i already told that i will threat noobywhatever at the level that he deserve.

Thread closed!

Flaming is leading nowhere.

Silence I kill you

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i have no interest in reading your reply, because person such as you will never accept critique.
still, you are not the subject here, let me just finish our mini-talk with "be glad w3sp couldn't be arsed to do fc".

albion - who did say i dont care?
i do, i do very much. and this is why i wrote that. yet i still think, talking shit like this will do more damage than drama-fun, in the long run.
but after this post i will leave this as it is, because for tonight i prefer a cig, glass of bourbon and bardok-avp, than going into ecstasies over me being cheated by w3sp for so many years.
lol, even after reading this last, authentic, sentence [originally written by ...hmm someone] i still laugh. seriously, how personally aggrieved can one be?!

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btw, alien, my 2c on your posts here - stop behaving like you know everything, especially against newbies, because your arrogancy and rude behaviour are something most people in this community are tired of.

Arrogance ? My god why OPC Forums was gone :ASD:AS:DAS You can show me my arrogance in every post there. You speak about arrogance because i slap one newbie that act like a "not so clever guy" when he start play Defrag yesterday and he speaks about matter that he don't have any clue ?
The difference between smart people is that they want to learn about anything before they say something about it.

I will show you about what type of arrogance you talk:

Pls watch this move from link bellow and know simple fact:
over 75% people that watch this move claim that the author of this movie is arrogant bastard ! They hate him ! So what is the problem ? It is that he don't show any arrogance for me. ANYTHING that is arrogant/rude/etc !

Link: http://bit.ly/boZDDL

So yes, for someone even most polite way of discussion is "arrogance" especially when you point at people mistakes. But since this is internet i don't have time nor will to explain my intentions to everyone who think that I'm arrogant. In the end: stop telling people how you think that they feel when they reading my words.

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and the post you wrote in polish only proves how lifeless and sad you are.

Hahahaha ye right. Great judgment from my post to worthless troll of this community at the level that he deserve. Indeed great judgment.

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w3sp still, even without the hax, is much better than you are, and you will ever be - get over it, and quit babbling this old dfwc04 demos spam.

Good that you show you intentions. Good that you think that a player who was always fair to all people that he play, who never use any lame helper (not speaking about any scripts/cheats that w3sp use) is worse for you that someone who use every dirty hack that he found to "be number one". That shows you personality in all aspect. Och you talk about "skill" right ? About how fast he can press a button/how stable hands he have ? Yes, he will always better in those thing that don't have bigger matter that fairness/honesty. But i guess for you such things means NOTHING. I'm sorry but I despise you system of values.

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oh, and those are the questions which are important for you, not for even 30% of the community. most people left this alone, because its called 'progress'.
after all, its still a game. computer game. i hope your wife reminds you of that sometimes.

And why you think that I care about what most people left alone ? Since you don't even bother to read my statement i want to remind you that all "w3sp case" was started when CGaz was enter to my home and close before midnight. You can call whatever you want but for me is a lie is a lie, no matter where. And i never ever lied to anyone. Try to deal the fact that such people still exist at this world.

And for you last statement: "be glad w3sp couldn't be arsed to do fc"
It clearly sows what you want here - to say that "glad that w3sp don't play FC because he will rape you in the ass and beat you all records"
That hate for me is so pathetic. I expect from you to act like grow man (since you already try to put my private life here) and undisclosed yourself to me by sending PM, IRC/MSN/MAIL message. And until you don't do this, you are lost you time writing all of this. So i wait to see who you really are and what problem you have with me. Goodnight.

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WTF, HI W3SP, SORY FOR SPAM

who the fuck is netwalker?

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I've seen what getting jizzed on by a group of people does to a man. it is not pretty. I wasn't a part of it but when I was 12 or 13 I went to a sleep away summer camp and this is like when we were starting to discover porn and jacking off. Some kid brought some playboys and naked playing cards, shit like that with him. Anyway, one kid in our cabin was a huge tool, stole stuff like food and money from other people in our cabin. So half a dozen kids decided one night to wake up in the middle of the night at like 3 a.m and take turns jacking off in the bathroom, running out before they finished and blowing their load on the kid when he was sleeping. Literally 6-8 kids did this, all over his face, sheets, upper body, and hands, one kid also did it in his shoes. So everyone else wakes up the next morning and we all knew what had happened but this kid couldn't figure out why he was all sticky for like 15 minutes until a counselor forced it out of a kid. When the kid found out he went absolutely nuts, like certifiably crazy mental breakdown. He had to leave the camp for psychiatric treatment, worst part was after he took a shower and went to leave he stepped in the jizz shoes and also like 6 of my friends I never saw again because they got kicked out.

lol

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